5/13/14--A CONTRACT BETWEEN Bishop GODFREY de LUCY (1189-1204) AND RICHARD le BEL--
Here is latin text given to UK translator--It states:
"Between 1189-1204. Part of a charter, by way of a final concord, related to an exchange of a hide" (see next):
dna#13--res.p.6, PD p. 26
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... in the same hide [a land measure] in exchange
for the land of
Benetlegh which the said Richard claimed from the said G, bishop of
Winchester, through Richard's father's uncle Ralph of Fermesham,
which
hide of Picefalde lies between the boundaries of Pitchefeld, viz. [ ...
etc.etc. ...]. The said G, bishop of Winchester, gives this hide to the
said Richard with the additional service of 10 knights which the said
Richard [already] makes for his land at Fermesham, and he agrees to this
for himself and his successors against all claims. For this contract the
said bishop and Richard le Bel agree to cancel all their quarrels between
them in all things.
dna#15--gordon translate tab--5/13/14 4:36AM
I asked was this a land trade?
"The short answer is that, following a dispute,
the piece of land was
claimed by Richard le Bel by inheritance, and he won the case, and the
bishop therefore concedes the land to him. There is only one piece of land,
in Bentley (this may well be Bentley in Hampshire: I was within a couple
of
miles of there yesterday, towards the border with Surrey). All the other
names here are defining the precise position of the land which is called
Picefalde ("falde" is field: it may be no larger than that), north
of this,
south of that, east of such-and-such road, and so on. These are doubtless
very small places or farm names. I expect they are identifiable on a really
detailed map, which I don't have here at home. Of course this is only a
printed transcript and it might be that the transcribe has copied the odd
name wrongly. However, they are not big towns, but tiny local landmarks -
fields, wells, a bridge, etc."--dna15--gordon
tab--6/26/14 2:00AM
I asked did Richard le Bel inherit this land from great uncle Ralph?
"Yes, Richard le Bel claimed the land through
Ralph de Fermesham, described
as being the uncle of his father. This may not be precisely the same
as
having inherited it, but he has won his dispute and so that is in effect
what has happened."--dna15--gordon
tab--6/30/14 10:41AM
THIS DATA MAY POSSIBLY RELATE TO ABOVE:
IT APPEARS DE LUCY FAMILY ENDED UP OWNING SELBORNE, HANTS (9.8 mi S of Bentley):
"There is no evidence to show when the lands in Selborne,
which afterwards became the manor of the prior and
convent of Selborne, were granted to the family of
de Lucy, but a patent of 1229 confirmed these lands
to Stephen de Lucy for his life for an annual rent of
4 yearly." In 1233 the land which Stephen de
Lucy had held was granted by royal charter to
Peter des Roches, bishop of Winchester, for the
foundation of Selborne Priory."
...dna#17-p.22
IT APPEARS A LATER RICHARD LE BEL IS CONNECTED TO SELBORNE, HANTS:
" The following is a list of the Vicars of Basingstoke, instituted to the
Vicarage on the presentation of the Prior and Convent of Selborne, with
the precise date of their institution if extant : SiMONj named as Vicar in 1244
in the ordination or composition drawn up by Bishop William de Raleigh. * Sir
Peteb occurs in 1250 as its Vicar, and Richard le Bel, in 1277 — a member
of a well-known family of that name, located at Frensham, in Surrey."---dna
13- p. 25
(Selborne is 9.8 mi south of Bentley and 3.8 miles from Priors Dean---see NEW DATA 12 APRIL 2014 ref Priors Dean and Richard le Bel's presence there ca 1200).