3/26/15 - 13 Areas to Search
FIND ANCESTORS OF LE BEL / BEEL / BELE / BEALE FROM THE FRENSHAM, SURREY AREA.
The manor of Frensham Beale was a possession of the le Bel, Bele or Beale family,
originally held of the manor of Farnham, and covering a large area from Binsted,
Hants, to Elstead and Thursley (see Dropbox Frensham 3- VCH Vol II, p.609).
It was held by the Beale family until the end of the 16th century.
AREAS TO POSSIBLY SEARCH THAT MIGHT YIELD CLUES:
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1)- The current owners of Frensham Manor are Gordon G. and Linda Weston. An
email in 2013 from Linda Weston stated: "Frensham Manor was given to a
Beale family male for his services to William the Conqueror in 1056". (dna13p.118)
I replied to Linda, but no response.
(We note Farnham Museum has some records but not le Bel records prior 18th
century).
THERE MAY BE RECORDS AT THE MANOR.
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2)- ca 1200 sightings of le Bel/Beels in Frensham, Surrey area
"le boys gemmes le Beel" ("the wood of the le Bels" / "Bealeswood"
) was used to describe the boundaries of the Ashholt (Alice Holt) and Wolmer
forests during the time of King John.---------------------------(John king of
England 1199-1216)
Here is the text--see Dropbox Pontissara 3 : (dna19p.37, 46, 56, 57)
"boundaries ashholt and wolmer forests during king john
rubric---ceo sunt les bundes de la foreste de asiholt et de wolvemere---
les queus solcent ester en le tens le rey johan.
la premere bunde commence a hongeswere, de homgeswere a hoggesmere, de hoggesmere
iesques a la rowedich, de la rowediche iesques a le boys gemmes le beel, del
boys gemmes le beel a copehalche, de copehalche acontre mont lewe, de honteneford
iesques endreyt le viver de fermesham, et issi per mi le viver de fermesham
iesques a bereford,"
THIS SHOWS LE BEEL/LE BEL FAMILY IN FRENSHAM CA 1200.
ARE THERE RECORDS SHOWING OWNERS OF KING JOHN'S FORESTS? LE BEL/LE BEEL MENTIONED?
ca 1300 description of the forest of Alice Holt and Woolmer--
See Dropbox Kingspleas Southwick Folder pp.30-32
p.31- Jurors say that the whole forest of Alice Holt and Woolmer was enclosed
within the aforesaid metes and bounds before the coronation of Henry II.. (1154)
p.31- ...between land of James le Beel in county of Surrey and of Dockenfield
in county of Hampshire...boundary line of counties---
p.32-- James le Beel woodland "now represented by Bealeswood."
THIS SUGGESTS THAT BEELS OWNED FOREST BEFORE 1154
See http://www.geobeale.com/GB38.htm
"The reign of Henry II. would seem to be the time -------Henry II king
1154-1189
of general settlement in this neighbourhood. The
terraces of Nursted, of Petersfield, were now for the
first time tilled by the monks. Philip(sic) le Bel endowed ------Richard le
Bel endowed 1272
Durford with Ditcham.f The lowlands of Liss were
also pastured by another convent, but Selborne Priory
was only founded in the reign of King John.
And now the sturdy little borough of Petersfield
drew its first breath. The charter of Hawisa, Countess -------Hawise of Beaumont,
countess of Gloucester 1120-1197
" Henricus Hosatus secundus," as he is termed in the charter
of Bp. Seyffridd, almost in royal style. -------Seyffridd II Bishop of Chichester
1180-1204
f Ricardus le Bel of Peteresfeld. Grant to Church of Durford
of all his land, " De Dicham in Manerio de Mapuldreham,"
Charter of Durford, f. 89."---p. 8 (RICARDUS LE BEL OWNER UNTIL 1272)
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3)- 1200- Richard le Bel won some disputed land in Bentley, Hants from Bishop
Godfrey de Lucy ca 1200. Richard also owned land in Frensham, Surrey. His great
uncle was Ralph of Fermesham. --------------------------Godfrey de Lucy Bishop
of Winchester 1188-1204
See text http://www.geobeale.com/GB46.htm for Translation of Latin and other
details.
Pontissara 10---Latin text
ANY CLUES AS TO LE BEL's IDENTITY IN THIS TEXT ? WHO WAS GREAT UNCLE RALPH?
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4)- ca 1230--Other names for Richard le Bel in Priors Dean area -- dna19pp.47,48
See Dropbox Kingspleas Southwick Folder pp. 17-40
Richard Antiquus de la Fosse---p.17---men of Priors Dean
Richard Juvenis de la Fosse-----p.17--- men of Priors Dean + p. 18----lands
Burnecumbe and Hyndecumbe + p.17 also known as Richard de Dih + p.24 holds same
as Hawise 18 ac. woodland
Richard Vetus de la Fosse-------p.18--- Piperland, also lands Burncumbe and
Hyndecumbe
Richard de la Diche-----------------p.20---Piperland
Richard de Dih--p.17 also known as Richard Juvenis de la Fosse
Richard de la Dih--p.23--holds 20 acres in Priors Dean + 4ac. woodland + p.24
pays for Burnecumbe
widow of Richard de Dih--p.24--pays for Piperlonde + p.26 probably widow of
Richard Vetus de la Fosse
Richard Juvenis of Priors Dean--p.27--formally owned garden, Richard le Bel
witness to rental in 1296
Richard de la Diche---p.40--1230 quitclaim witness
THIS DATA MAY GIVE CLUES WHERE LE BELS LIVED AND OTHER NAMES FOR THE FAMILY
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5)- 1245 "I, Alice, daughter of John de Sumery, sometime wife of Richard
le Bel, in my widowhood " dna19p.42 ---------Alice may have been born ca
1160
See Dropbox ???? (get fm 4/22/14 PD evanrandolph6.doc)- also includes data on
Thos de Horsye and Richard le Bel in Chichester. Data on Hawisa Charter.
See http://www.geobeale.com/GB43.htm for relationships Somery to Hawisa/King
John etc
JOHN DE SUMERY/SOMERY MAY PROVIDE CLUES ON ORIGIN OF LE BEL. MORE LE BEL DATA
IN CHARTERS OF HAWISA?
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6)- ca 1258/1263-- James le Bel, one of Bishop Aymer's men, involved in a lethal
attack.
Dropbox Prestwich 4-- 1263--Latin copy (dna19p.45)
Dropbox Prestwich 10-- 1258--English copy (dna19p.45)
see http://www.geobeale.com/GB44.htm for data below:
James le Bel served Aymer Bishop of Winchester.
James le Bel in 1258 was first on a list of 50 men of Aymer Bishop elect of
Winchester. The men were ordered by the Bishop to conduct an assault at the
church and Manor of SCHYRE (SHERE). An appeal was issued, King Henry III ordered
guardians of the bishopric to make peace with the appellants, saving the King
fines, http://sdrc.lib.uiowa.edu/patentrolls/h3v5/body/Henry3vol5page0002.pdf
--dna#14 p.340, 341, 247
see http://www.geobeale.com/GB38.htm for data below on James le Bel:
James le Bel bought Frensham Manor in 1241 (item 2 le Bel list)
James le Bel of Fermesham AND Westminster, co. Midd., he was granted shield
of arms during time of Henry III (1216-1272). (item 3 le Bel list)
King Henry III lived at the Palace of Westminster, co. Midd. (305) thus James
le Bel lived in same neighborhood as King Henry III.
James le Beel was Constable of Farnham, Surrey in 1249 (item 4 le bel list)
James le Bel in 1258 was first on a list of 50 men of Aymer Bishop elect of
Winchester. The men were ordered by the Bishop to conduct an assault at the
church and Manor of SCHYRE (SHERE). An appeal was issued, King Henry III ordered
guardians of the bishopric to make peace with the appellants, saving the King
fines, http://sdrc.lib.uiowa.edu/patentrolls/h3v5/body/Henry3vol5page0002.pdf
(dna14pp.341, 247)
James le Bel held 1/2 a Knights fee in Manor of Farnham in 1300. (item 10 le
Bel list, + dna14p.316) Bishop of Winchester Pontissara (1282-1304) states some
lands held by Knight’s service—lands in military tenancy in Surrey
included—James le Bel—1/2 knights fee. (dna14pp.327 + 316)
Details on Aymer Bishop of Winchester:
Aymer de Lusignan (1222-1260) and brothers Guy and William came to England in
1247.Henry III received his half brother Aymer with great joy. Henry forced
the Bishops of Winchester to elect Aymer in 1250. Aymer was Bishop elect of
Winchester 1250 until 1260. (dna14p.340)
In 1258, one of the ringleaders of the revolution John Fitz Geoffrey (the other
leader being Simon Montfort) was attacked at John's estate Shere in Surrey by
Aymer's (Bishop elect of Winchester) men, who killed one of John's men. When
John complained to the King, Henry III wouldnt hear him. (pp.344-345) ---Later
that year, Parliament set up a committee of 24 for redress of the grievances
of the barons. Aymer and his brothers Guy and William were among the 12 nominated
by King Henry III. They refused to support the provisions for reform. The feelings
against Aymer were very strong. (dna14p.345).
Guy and William fled to Aymer's castle in Winchester. The barons attacked, and
all three brothers had to leave the country. The brother's property were seized.
Aymer and his brothers were blockaded in Boulogne as Montfort turned the French
against them.In 1260 the Pope (not willing to listen to the barons) consecrated
Aymer as Bishop of Winchester in Rome. Aymer was on his way back to England,
but died in Paris in 1260. (dna14p.339)
DO THESE DOCUMENTS IDENTIFY JAMES LE BEL, KNIGHT?
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7)- 1266- Richard le Bel from Priors Dean, Hants. Family served King John. See
details from 1266 court case: http://www.geobeale.com/GB44.htm
"We discovered a 1266 Winchester Castle Court case in which Richard le
Bel states that he (and others) and their ancestors had lived in Priors Dean,
Hants and served King John."
Court case records in Latin- dropbox Kingspleas DSC 1 - 87 dna19p.49, PD 4/5/14
and 4/23/14
case record recap in English- dropbox Kingspleas Southwick folder 12-13 dna19p.42
DOES COURT CASE IDENTIFY RICHARD LE BEL AND HIS LINK TO KING JOHN?
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8)- Prior 1272-- James Le Bel's charter and seal--see http://www.geobeale.com/GB45.htm
for data below for translation of Latin ref charter:
"Know all present and future that I, James le Bel of Fermesham, for the
salvation of my soul [and those of] my ancestors and descendants, give,
grant and confirm by this present charter to God and the church of Saint
Mary and Saint Thomas the Martyr of Newstead... " (long document follows)
This charter suggests a relationship between James le Bel, Richard le Bel, and
others on the list which may include Sir Edward of Westminster,
See Dropbox Frenshammanor1 for Latin text on charter, translation www.geobeale.com/GB45.htm
THIS CHARTER APPEARS TO IDENTIFY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE FAMILY OF JAMES LE BEL
See http://www.geobeale.com/GB45.htm for data below on seal:
Bel, James le, de Fermesham. Of Westminster. Sealed, t. Hen. Ill : Three Roses
(Birch). (dna19p.58)
Birch- Catalogue of Seals-vol II p. 488: (dna19p.59, dna#13 PD p. 31, 29, dna19p.50)
James Le Bel de Fermesham, of Westminster, co. Midd.
7325 [Temp Henry III]
Green: a fragment, 1 x ¾ ins
[Harl.ch.45 H.39]
Shield shaped: a shield of arms: three roses.
DOES A SEAL HELP IDENTIFY THE JAMES LE BEL FAMILY?
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9)- 1286-- James le Bel holds Knights fee.
see Dropbox Pontissara 8 and 9---
"Jacobus Le Bel tenet dimidium feodum unius militis in fermesham et tertiam
partem feodi unius militis in estone extra wintone, quam prior sancti swithuni
modo tenet."
my translation:
"James Le Bel holds half a fee of one knight in the third part of the fee
of one knight in Estone Fermesham and outside of Winton, than the first , St.
Swithin, now holds."
DOES BEING A KNIGHT HELP IDENTIFY LE BEL FAMILY?
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10)- 1347 death of Richard le Beel---his wife Joan, 19 yr old son Richard. Held
land in Weston and Petersfield in the Manor of Mapledurham, and land in La Dene
in the prior of Suthewyk.
See Dropbox ???? (get fm 1/9/14 PD evanrandolph3.doc), includes lots of additional
data on wife Joan and Richard le Bel dna19p.43 bottom
JOAN MAY PROVIDE SOME CLUES, LOTS OF DATA ON LE BELS
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11)- 1493- Richard Bele, Frensham and wife Alice dna19p.42, 62
latin text--see Dropbox frenshammanor manor 9 pg 11 dna19p.49
Description of doc---see Dropbox evanfrensham.doc ???? dna19pp.61,62,43----pd
4/18/13
Translation of doc--see Dropbox surry2015.doc ???? dna19pp.61,62,42----pd 2/15/15
THIS DOC IS PROBABLY TOO LATE TO BE OF MUCH USE.
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12)- 1571 Robert Beele's legal dispute ref Frensham Manor - Chancery Court record
C3/97/27 : Short title: Hardinge v Beele. Plaintiffs: Richard Hardinge. Defendants:
Robert Beele and others. Subject: copyhold of manor of Frensham Beele, Surrey.
Document type: bill, answer, replication. 1571.
See Old English copy in Dropbox Frensham 8 and 9 dna19pp.43,63,64
DOES ROBERT BEELE MENTION ANY PREVIOUS FAMILY MEMBERS IN CONNECTION WITH THE
PROPERTY? (Old English very hard to read)
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13)- 1631 will of George Beale of Bentley, Hants dna19p.42 pd 8/14/14 and 8/29/14
See Latin text 1631 will-- Dropbox Frenshammanor 7,8&9 dna19p.50
See old English text 1631 will---Dropbox ???? (get fm 8/14/14 PD georgebealepcc.pdf)
dna19p.42
See translation 1631 will----Dropbox ???? (get fm 8/29/14 PD george beale transcript.doc)
dna19p.42 indenture George Beale of Stoke next Guildford and Richard Lutman.
End of 17th century--Beale then Lutnam owners of Jenkyn Place estate in Bentley---see
http://www.geobeale.com/GB52.htm ref Jenkyn Place--near bottom of page.
WAS THIS RICHARD LE BEL's BENTLEY PROPERTY THAT HE WON CA 1200? (See 3 above)
BENTLEY BEALES MAY HAVE MOVED TO BUCKS CO, PENNSYLVANIA. SEE http://www.geobeale.com/GB15.htm,
scroll down the page to "George Beale-- (findings as of Feb 13, 2003)"
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14)- Below is a recap of the le Bel / Bele / Beale family in Frensham that appears
on http://www.geobeale.com/GB38.htm
Le Bel family from Frensham Manor Surrey, England:
A)- ca 1200 sightings of le Bel/Beels in Frensham, Surrey area:
"le boys gemmes le Beel" ("the wood of the le Bels" / "Bealeswood"
) was used to describe the boundaries of the Ashholt (Alice Holt) and Wolmer
forests during the time of King John.
See Dropbox Pontissara 3 : (dna19p.37, 46, 56, 57)
B)- Richard Le Bel great nephew of Ralph of Fermesham (between 1189 and 1204).
dna#13--res.p.6, PD p. 26
http://books.google.com/books?id=uWhIAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA739&lpg=PA739&dq=richard+le+bel+great+nephew+of+ralph+de+fermesham&source=bl&ots=e0RrmbsdVm&sig=s2B1AFbTGqShEs9S2bXs9mhyFes&hl=en&sa=X&ei=V0kvUvWsGKHA4AOP3IDIDw&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=richard%20le%20bel%20great%20nephew%20of%20ralph%20de%20fermesham&f=false
C)- James le Bel bought Frensham Manor in 1241.
dna#14 res p. 153
http://books.google.com/books?id=Z-n5pKm3wRgC&pg=PA132&lpg=PA132&dq=frensham+beale+bought+by+james+le+bel+in+1241&source=bl&ots=HIlxgUfLAt&sig=iyByqCPlCOV0Vu3PbJXVm1jUzZs&hl=en&sa=X&ei=-0svUtTEKsXB4AONmYC4Dw&ved=0CDIQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=frensham%20beale%20bought%20by%20james%20le%20bel%20in%201241&f=false
D)- James le Bel de Fermesham, of Westminster, co. Midd.--- shield of arms---three
roses
dna#13 PD p. 31, 29
Birch- Catalogue of Seals-vol II p. 488---[Harl.ch.45 H.39] Temp Henry III---1216-1272
E)- James le Beel constable of Farnham--(data from the Bishops of Winchester-
1249)
dna#14--res. p. 294
http://archive.org/stream/p2surreyarchaeol38surr/p2surreyarchaeol38surr_djvu.txt
F)- James le Bel in 1258 was first on a list of 50 men of Aymer Bishop elect
of Winchester. The men were ordered by the Bishop to conduct an assault at the
church and Manor of SCHYRE (SHERE). An appeal was issued, King Henry III ordered
guardians of the bishopric to make peace with the appellants, saving the King
fines,
(dna14pp.341, 247)
http://sdrc.lib.uiowa.edu/patentrolls/h3v5/body/Henry3vol5page0002.pdf
G)- Richard le Bel rented/owned Ditcham, Hampshire (part of the Manor Mapledurham)
in 1272.
dna#14-- res. p. 216
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=41935
H)- Richard le Bel rented/owned Weston (part of Mapledurham) in 1275.
dna#13--res. p. 25
http://books.google.co.vi/books?id=8JcbV309c5UC&pg=PA318&lpg=PA318&dq=%22+richard+le+bel+%22+surrey&source=bl&ots=kunGLYOUa5&sig=RqSsqg0-PyMpAaVgC17C0PmMors&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ytFVUfkGlN7gA8LegKgE&sqi=2&ved=0CCoQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=%22%20richard%20le%20bel%20%22%20surrey&f=false
I)- William the Conqueror acquired Manor Mapledurham and gave it to his wife
Maud. When she died in 1083 , the property passed down through the family for
many years.
dna#14-- res. p. 218
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=41935
J)- Richard Le Bel, vicar of Basingstoke, Hants in 1277-- "a member of
a well-known family of that name, located at Frensham, in Surrey."
dna#13--res. p. 25
http://archive.org/stream/calendarofcharte02selbiala/calendarofcharte02selbiala_djvu.txt
K)- Frensham was a sub manor of Farnham during the medieval period and was
held from the bishops of Winchester by the le Bel family.The le Bels gave their
name to Bealeswood which appears in 1285 as 'le boys Gemes le beel' - the wood
of the le Bels.
dna#14--res. p. 153
http://dockenfieldpc.org.uk/newsletter/pdf/DNL%20220%20July%2010.pdf
L)- James le Bel held 1/2 a knights fee in Manor of Farnham in 1300.
dna#13 PD Vict His of Sur p 609
http://books.google.com/books?id=9rvcMESLXx4C&pg=PA610-IA1&lpg=PA610-IA1&dq=victoria's+history+%22james+le+bel%22&source=bl&ots=qOEzPN-Rcw&sig=OarAe2X205Bk2B0qFAwtHbEjakA&hl=en&sa=X&ei=9lIvUqeDOYXK4APjloDQDw&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=victoria's%20history%20%22james%20le%20bel%22&f=false
M)- Jacobus le Bel on a list of Knights fees
dna#13 PD p.13
Register of John de Pontissara, Bishop of Winchester 1284-1304, p. 594
N)- James le Bel in Fermesham possibly appears on a list of Knights Templars.
dna#13 res p. 21
http://archive.org/stream/pedesfiniumorfin00greauoft/pedesfiniumorfin00greauoft_djvu.txt
O)- James le Bel of Fermesham in Chertsey (1313)
dna#14 res. p.153
http://soc.genealogy.medieval.narkive.com/kDsNzL2V/montfichet-arms-intrepretation
P)- John le Beel, son of James le Beel of Fermesham (1316)
dna#14 res. p. 294
http://www.archive.org/stream/pedesfiniumorfin00greaiala/pedesfiniumorfin00greaiala_djvu.txt
Q)- John Bel- licence to hear service at his manor of Frensham (1326)
dna#13 res. p. 5, PD Vict His of Sur p 609
http://books.google.com/books?id=9rvcMESLXx4C&pg=PA610-IA1&lpg=PA610-IA1&dq=John+Beel+licence+to+hear+service+at+his+manor+of+Frensham&source=bl&ots=qOEzPP-Ydv&sig=XhEHBzj-HchzLfLCneNIMW-LucY&hl=en&sa=X&ei=26MvUsqTLK-24AO05oDADw&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=John%20Beel%20licence%20to%20hear%20service%20at%20his%20manor%20of%20Frensham&f=false
R)- John le Beel of Fermesham (1337)
dna#14 res. p. 294
http://www.archive.org/stream/pedesfiniumorfin00greaiala/pedesfiniumorfin00greaiala_djvu.txt
S)- Richard le Beel and wife Joan rent/own Weston (part of Manor Mapledurham)
ca 1340. Richard died 1346.
" There was also a free tenement in the tithing of Weston which in origin
was of the lands of the Normans and not of the honour of Gloucester, as was
ascertained by an inquisition taken in the reign of Henry III. (fn. 84) This
tenement was held by Robert de St. Remy in the reign of Richard I."
" In the inquisition it was stated that Richard le Beel held the premises
of the king in chief by the service of attending the view of frankpledge twice
a year at Mapledurham."
dna#14--res. pp. 214-215
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=41935
T)- Richard Bele of Frensham Manor, wife Alice (1493)
dna#13 res. p. 39
http://www.surreyarchives.org.uk/CalmView/Record.aspx?src=CalmView.Catalog&id=G123%2f1%2f1%2f1%2f1&pos=3
U)- Robert Bele (mercer) on London Subsidy roll, St Christophers le Stocks,
Broad St Ward in 1541.
dna#14 res. p. 159
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=36102
V)- Will of Robert Bele (mercer) London dated 1548---names wife, brother John
(grocer), sons Robert and William.
[son Robert is Robert Beale 1541-1601]
dna#13--res. p. 2, PD p. 16, dna19p.43
See Dropbox- belewill.pdf
W)- Robert Bele secretary to the embassy of Sir Francis Walsingham at Paris
1571, clerk of Privy Council, died 1601.
dna#14--res. p. 159
http://books.google.com/books?id=-IdMAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA366&lpg=PA366&dq=%22+robert+bele+%22++london&source=bl&ots=5E5s58YRZp&sig=Dv4irZFkG-dsnHTMu51Qujmi0h4&hl=en&sa=X&ei=bJ79UbXmM9ev4AOQ-oH4Ag&ved=0CEEQ6AEwBzgK#v=onepage&q=%22%20robert%20bele%20%22%20%20london&f=false
X)- Robert Bele's Pamphlet dated December 3, 1571 seeks to discredit Mary Queen
of Scots in order to help Elizabeth.
dna#14--res. p. 159
http://books.google.com/books?id=0A8KFf0xfNoC&pg=PA254&lpg=PA254&dq=%22+robert+bele+%22++london&source=bl&ots=F7AYrMWnYT&sig=Y3vcxiUQjnsf2j53maaaj_pY-jc&hl=en&sa=X&ei=bJ79UbXmM9ev4AOQ-oH4Ag&ved=0CCkQ6AEwADgK#v=onepage&q=%22%20robert%20bele%20%22%20%20london&f=false
Y)- Robert Bele later changed name to Robert Beale .